Tuesday, July 05, 2005
I say we get rid of the ACLU only if the NRA and Focus on the Family agree to disband permanently. That’s fair isn’t it?
The ACLU took the side of student run religious clubs in public high schools to distribute their fliers …. defended Jerry Falwell in his fight to incorporate his church … defends anti-abortion groups right to rent public school halls to show fundraising documentaries … the right of a Nebraska church to be treated with the same legal considerations of a school or daycare … the right of a Catholic man to not be court ordered into a Pentacostal drug rehab … the rights to conduct Baptisms in public parks … the right to reveal religious beliefs and still be put on a jury … the rights of students to hand out candy canes with religious messages at Christmastime … suppourting the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, and (religious) Equal Access (to public facilities) Act …
The big lie is that the ACLU does not support religion. On the contrary, it just doesn’t support religious supremacy.
Crosses on money, electrical poles, etc. It’s sadly a tactical trivialization and demonization of the issues that the ACLU actually does fight for and against.
Are coin / seal designers intending their wheat stalks to represent a religious viewpoint subliminally, accidentally, or deliberately … or is the intent to be, you know, wheat? God only knows.
As I recall, the argument allowing “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance is that kids are regurgitating an oath they don’t necessarily understand, “allegiance,” “Republic” “for Richard Stands” and are repeating the ritual because they’re told to. It was the atheist father suing on behalf of his child who argued that the “loyalty oath” had more meaning than it actually does.
Same for the “under god” on money and buildings as it’s not a promotion of one faith over another. Nativity scenes (which people are certainly open to have on private property) are.
The fund raising claim of an “evil godless anti-religion agenda” presumes that the bureaucracies of the churches be they televangelists, politicians, or snake oil salesmen are agenda-less. The very suggestion that all faiths should be equal under the law is the belief of the ACLU, from Atheism, (Baptist, Mormon, Muslim) to Zoroastrianism.
For religions that do believe that they must convert everyone on the planet to their own one-true-deity’s belief, being told they can’t be the only ones promoting their agenda on property that we all own — it’s an “immoral” attack, when they are actually the aggressors.
What’s forgotten, as noted by Smith is a professor and associate chair of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author of “Christian America? What Evangelicals Really Want,” is that : “Jesus’ (teachings) assumed that his followers would always be a minority surrounded by a plurality of nonbelievers, whom they should not try to dominate, but should love and serve for God’s sake.”
The ACLU took the side of student run religious clubs in public high schools to distribute their fliers …. defended Jerry Falwell in his fight to incorporate his church … defends anti-abortion groups right to rent public school halls to show fundraising documentaries … the right of a Nebraska church to be treated with the same legal considerations of a school or daycare … the right of a Catholic man to not be court ordered into a Pentacostal drug rehab … the rights to conduct Baptisms in public parks … the right to reveal religious beliefs and still be put on a jury … the rights of students to hand out candy canes with religious messages at Christmastime … suppourting the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, and (religious) Equal Access (to public facilities) Act …
The big lie is that the ACLU does not support religion. On the contrary, it just doesn’t support religious supremacy.
Crosses on money, electrical poles, etc. It’s sadly a tactical trivialization and demonization of the issues that the ACLU actually does fight for and against.
Are coin / seal designers intending their wheat stalks to represent a religious viewpoint subliminally, accidentally, or deliberately … or is the intent to be, you know, wheat? God only knows.
As I recall, the argument allowing “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance is that kids are regurgitating an oath they don’t necessarily understand, “allegiance,” “Republic” “for Richard Stands” and are repeating the ritual because they’re told to. It was the atheist father suing on behalf of his child who argued that the “loyalty oath” had more meaning than it actually does.
Same for the “under god” on money and buildings as it’s not a promotion of one faith over another. Nativity scenes (which people are certainly open to have on private property) are.
The fund raising claim of an “evil godless anti-religion agenda” presumes that the bureaucracies of the churches be they televangelists, politicians, or snake oil salesmen are agenda-less. The very suggestion that all faiths should be equal under the law is the belief of the ACLU, from Atheism, (Baptist, Mormon, Muslim) to Zoroastrianism.
For religions that do believe that they must convert everyone on the planet to their own one-true-deity’s belief, being told they can’t be the only ones promoting their agenda on property that we all own — it’s an “immoral” attack, when they are actually the aggressors.
What’s forgotten, as noted by Smith is a professor and associate chair of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author of “Christian America? What Evangelicals Really Want,” is that : “Jesus’ (teachings) assumed that his followers would always be a minority surrounded by a plurality of nonbelievers, whom they should not try to dominate, but should love and serve for God’s sake.”
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